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Post by Jincman on Oct 26, 2004 17:38:25 GMT -5
With GTA: San Andreas getting a 9.9 and 9.6 from IGN and Gamespot . . .
. . . what do you think Halo 2 and Metroid will be getting?
I predict:
Halo 2 will get 9.5 or less Metroid Prime: Echos will get a 9.8 or better
I stick by these prediction
What do you think?
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Post by vado on Oct 27, 2004 10:16:17 GMT -5
Halo 2, from what i played, really isnt different enough from the first to warrant even your prediction. still, they'll cater to the masses, and your estimates will probably be dead-on.
I predict prime 2 will score an eleventy billion.
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Post by dschroll on Oct 27, 2004 11:33:51 GMT -5
I guess it really depends on what site we're talking about in terms of ratings, but I see IGN giving the following ratings:
Halo 2: 10 Prime 2: 9.2
After recently seeing IGN give the new GTA game a 9.9, I just feel they will for surely be giving Halo 2 a 10 since they have been posting a bit about it everyday. This game is so hyped for them that they literally are counting down the days until its release. I'm not saying I think Halo 2 will be worthy of a 10 score, but I think IGN will certainly be quick to give it one.
I see Prime 2 scoring lower than Prime 1 did, even though I think Prime 2 will be a better game. As IGN has pointed out several times, the graphics in Prime 2 aren't that much different than they are in Prime 1 and the controls will stay the same as well. I think IGN will probably knock these things about it saying that not much has changed, and I think they will knock the added multiplayer mode in it. I'm sure they'll also knock it for not being online.
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Post by OddJob on Oct 27, 2004 12:01:46 GMT -5
IGN will give Halo 2 a 9.8, since they gave the first one 9.7 and because they want to prove that the terabytes of cyber-hype they were feeding everyone were justified.
IGN will give Metroid Prime 2 a 9.4 because they'll want to compensate for giving Metroid Prime the higher score last time. It wouldn't settle well with those who have bought into the Halo 2 hype to have it come second in the scores, and I can almost guarantee that the IGN editors have been instructed to avoid this situation.
I agree with Dave, they'll definitely knock off points for Prime 2 because of those missing items, even though the first game somehow was still worth a 9.8.
If that Casavin dude reviews both games on Gamespot, Metroid Prime 2 will get the higher score. If not, Halo 2 will get the higher score.
Generally, Halo 2 scores will be higher due to sheer hype. Not a doubt in my mind.
Shawn
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Post by vado on Oct 27, 2004 12:54:35 GMT -5
I dunno....i DO remember reading a tidbit in one of the Cube.ign mailbags about one of the editors "fighting off the urge to this day to go back and change Metroid Prime's review score to a 10", AND they have been hyping it a helluva lot on the cube channel....but still, you're all probably right. it'll irritate me moreso since there's no doubt in my mind that Prime is to be the better game.
y'all are right on the money about Kasavin, too...i wouldnt be surprised if he scored Halo 2 lower, if not identically, to the first.
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Post by Jincman on Oct 27, 2004 14:07:39 GMT -5
I did a little research on IGN to see what games over the last few generations have received a perfect 10 . . . if any.
There were two games (not counting Gameboy Color and Gamboy advance games)
Soul Caliber on the Dreamcast The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
As a matter of opinion . . . I would agree that these two games in fact deserve their scores . . . although I didn’t enjoy OoT as much as I enjoyed The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask which received a 9.9.
So will Halo 2 or Metroid Prime: Echos rise to the genre defining standards of the two games listed above? I would be surprised.
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Post by dschroll on Oct 28, 2004 11:22:13 GMT -5
Again, 90% of Halo 2's review will be based on the hype that it has gotten over the past couple of years. I'm not saying it won't be a good game and doesn't deserve a good score, but chances are that score won't solely be based on the game and what it does well, so much as it will be based on this uber game that everyone will be taking the day off for just to get a glimpse of it in action. LOL...look at Episode 1 and how much hype that had. I must confess, I had so much hype going into that movie and when I came out I loved it. I seriously thought it was a fantastic movie. However, once everything kinda settled I started to realize it wasn't that good and the characters were mostly lame and the story/writing was bad, etc. If I had reviewed Episode 1 right after seeing it, I woulda given it huge scores, but after letting it sit for a while, it would probably have gotten my worst score yet...7 thumbs up(inside Simpsons joke) I see the same thing happening with Halo 2. I see it receiving these perfect to near perfect scores because people are just so excited to be playing it. But, once things settle down people will realize its probably a great game, but not this uber game that they all hyped it up to be. I totally agree with Shawn in the sense that there is no way IGN will rate Prime 2 above Halo 2 since Prime 1 was rated above Halo 1. IGN will get massive complaints from their readers if that were to happen, so I see them catering to the mob and giving everyone that perfect 10/10 for Halo 2 while telling Prime fans that the second Prime is a great game, better than the first, but just not very innovative.
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Post by dschroll on Nov 1, 2004 18:24:26 GMT -5
Well, word on the streets is that the newest issue of EGM has the following scores for Metroid and Halo: Halo 2: 10, 10, 9.5 <-- Game of the Month Good: Online multiplayer is lots of fun Bad: It eventually comes to an end <---LAME Prime 2: 10, 9.5, 9.5 Good: Great, immersive environment Bad: No online multiplayer <--LAME!!! So, there you have it. Looks like Halo 2 will slightly beat Prime 2 because it has online and Prime doesn't.....that's too bad since Metroid has never been about multiplayer....but then again, what do I know?
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Post by OddJob on Nov 2, 2004 11:15:02 GMT -5
Wow. I actually didn't expect that high a rating for Metroid Prime 2. Though, you can see the politics playing out already with Halo getting a total of 0.5 more than Metroid Prime. In any case, this is good news on both fronts and I'm now more psyched than ever to play them, especially MP2.
Shawn
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Post by Jincman on Nov 8, 2004 12:40:38 GMT -5
IGN game halo 2 a 9.8
Gamespot gave it a 9.4
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Post by dschroll on Nov 8, 2004 12:51:23 GMT -5
One thing that is concerning to me is that most of the reviews I've read of Halo 2 seem to say the single player campaign takes about 10 hours and that the level design can still be as repetitive as the first game. And, they said the cliffhanger ending in the game is awful.
Man, I have to say that its disappointing that Bungie kept such a tight lid on the game's single player mode because they could've probably fixed many of these issues had they heard these complaints. Still, it looks very solid and I am looking forward to going through it....even if it only lasts 10 hours.
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Post by OddJob on Nov 8, 2004 14:33:33 GMT -5
IGN will give Halo 2 a 9.8, since they gave the first one 9.7 and because they want to prove that the terabytes of cyber-hype they were feeding everyone were justified. Badda-boom badda-bing. And I predicted a higher mark for MP2 from Gamespot by Kasavin. He left lots of room with his 9.4. Do I win a prize if I get all of them correct? Maybe a loaner DS from someone until Christmas? Shawn
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Post by OddJob on Nov 8, 2004 14:40:30 GMT -5
One thing that is concerning to me is that most of the reviews I've read of Halo 2 seem to say the single player campaign takes about 10 hours and that the level design can still be as repetitive as the first game. And, they said the cliffhanger ending in the game is awful. Yeah, that's about it. However, I'm not really concerned about the length since I'm going to play it at least twice anyways; alone on different difficulties and once in co-op. What worries me is the story. When people go on to say "but, the single player isn't really where it's at anyway. It's all in the multiplayer", you know there's something wrong. I fear the magic of the first game is gone. However, as Dave said, it's still going to be plenty fun. And I'm sure I'll love it since I never really bought into the hype. I learned my lesson years back. Shawn
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Post by dschroll on Nov 11, 2004 8:30:57 GMT -5
Well, it looks like I was misinformed with the EGM scores. I just received the newest EGM:
Halo 2: 10, 10, 10
Metroid Prime 2: 9, 9, 10
The main complaints of Prime 2: -Multiplayer isn't very good -Game is much harder(although not frustratingly hard) -Levels don't seem as big or as expansive as the first Prime -New weapons/visors/abilities are rarely used -Story isn't well told and almost nonexistent
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Post by Jincman on Nov 11, 2004 12:09:47 GMT -5
Halo 2: 10, 10, 10 Metroid Prime 2: 9, 9, 10 I guess we will have to wait and see. I'm willing to bet that the single player game in Metroid last longer then 10 hours though. ;D
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Post by dschroll on Nov 11, 2004 13:17:19 GMT -5
lol....well, that's the funny thing. The guys in EGM are talking about how Halo 2 took them 17 hours. Granted, they may have played it on a higher difficulty, but still...
They said Prime 2 will last well over 20 hours.
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Post by Jincman on Nov 12, 2004 1:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by dschroll on Nov 12, 2004 22:15:18 GMT -5
Well, IGN gave Metroid Prime 2 a 9.5. Many of us here pretty much guessed what would be the main criticism of Prime 2. Here is a quote from IGN's review: "Whether it was the way the game easily handled platform elements where other first-person games failed, or the stylistic heads-up display that put you in Aran's suit, Prime felt fresh and groundbreaking. Metroid Prime 2 Echoes, in every way an extension of that winning formula, does not. As a result, anybody who played through the original game will already have a very clear picture of what waits in this anticipated sequel: more of the same. Yes, that means an identical control scheme and similar level structure, pacing, weapon and upgrade advancements, and Morphball-based puzzles. And despite an updated graphics engine, even the visuals look closely related to those in the title's predecessor. " I guess I am just somewhat confused. This holiday lineup of games is very sequel heavy. Games like, Prime 2, GTA San Andreas, Halo 2, etc. All of these games offer many of the same things as their predecessors while still offering some new material. Prime 2 seems to be the only one to be criticised negatively for it. I'm not saying the other games are bad, as they're not. I'm playing through Halo 2 right now and am enjoying it very much. Bungie took the good elements of Halo 1 and expanded on it with 2. It looks like the GTA game has done that, and from everything I've read it looks like Prime 2 has done just as an impressive job. Nonetheless, Prime 2 looks to be fantastic and I shall be playing it soon enough!
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Post by OddJob on Nov 13, 2004 9:39:47 GMT -5
I guess I am just somewhat confused. This holiday lineup of games is very sequel heavy. Games like, Prime 2, GTA San Andreas, Halo 2, etc. All of these games offer many of the same things as their predecessors while still offering some new material. Prime 2 seems to be the only one to be criticised negatively for it. I agree, and it's very frustrating. And the fact that you were able to call it before the review shows how sadly predictable the gaming media have become. So predictable that I called a 9.8 (Halo 2) and a 9.4 (MP 2) from IGN. I was off by a total of 0.1 overall. Sad, no? Well, it all boils down to hype, or a lack of it in the case of MP2. That's really all it is. If you go in with high expectations, you make the game fit into those expectations, as is the case with Halo 2 and GTA:SA. MP2 didn't promise the world, so reviewers go into the game expecting more of the same, and that's all that they see in it. If that is how the largest gaming media entities convey "impartial" information, it's no wonder the advertising-centric companies end up doing the best. Now, just from the demo and videos I've seen of MP2, I know that it has tons of cool elements that have been improved over the last game. I know it will likely be the better game in many respects, so I'm dying to play it. Shawn
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Post by Jincman on Nov 14, 2004 19:43:23 GMT -5
I can’t help but think that Nintendo is its own worst enemy here.
They just have such a glorious past with many ground breaking fantastic games. They get unfairly compared to their own success. It has hurt them this generation.
Look at a game like Wind Waker. It’s a fantastic game, but it comings in the shadows of Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask. People saw it as a slight let down . . . with the cartoon image and shorter gameplay.
I wonder if Metroid Prime: Echos came out on the Xbox (god forbid) would it still be a 9.4? MS has no legacy, so it might be seen as a revolution on the Xbox and thus receive a higher score. Makes me wonder.
I guess we will know this week when we get a chance to play Echos and make a direct comparison.
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