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Post by reaper on Jan 11, 2013 16:05:43 GMT -5
Rumors are flying all over the place about the next gen consoles. I'll post some info as I find it here. This is today's hot topic: www.vgleaks.com/orbis-roadmap/
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Post by dschroll on Jan 11, 2013 16:37:00 GMT -5
Honestly, if Valve can make a Steambox and have it work relatively well, I see that completely disrupting the console market. I know I'd be very interested in something like that.
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Post by reaper on Jan 11, 2013 20:24:02 GMT -5
Valve said that there will be no official steam box in 2013. They said they are still creating the spec requirements. Given that, I think the. Xbox and ps4 will get a nice head start and have a good chance.
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Post by dschroll on Jan 11, 2013 22:30:49 GMT -5
That's IF PS4 and NextBox come out in 2013. There's speculation they may not come out til 2014. I'm guessing probably this holiday though thinking that they'll announce at E3. Still, Valve's solution only has to sell hardware. Chances are the people buying a Steambox will likely already have Steam accounts and games to play on Steam. That's the beauty of that kind of model. No need for SDKs for developers or expensive investments from developers. They just keep doing what they're already doing for Steam and consumers now have more options on how to enjoy those games.
Given the colossal blunder from the PS3's $600 starting price tag, anyone want to make any guesses what the Next Box and PS4 will cost?
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Post by reaper on Jan 11, 2013 22:37:37 GMT -5
I am guessing 400 for each or 99 on a subsidized model.
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Post by reaper on Jan 14, 2013 9:38:32 GMT -5
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Post by Jincman on Jan 15, 2013 9:10:37 GMT -5
Interesting specs.
They both seem fairly reasonable.
I question the spec for the 720, because they would be going with a whole new family of processors and backward compatibility would probably be totally out of the question unless they also included the current 360's processor and gpu as well.
I can't imagine that MS would not be backward compatible. Same for Sony.
Interesting that all three console makers are using AMD GPU chipsets.
Another question ... I wonder if MS will include Bluray playback?
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Post by Jincman on Jan 15, 2013 9:16:01 GMT -5
I am guessing 400 for each or 99 on a subsidized model. Reaper ... expand on your thoughts on subsidized model. I'm curious.
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Post by reaper on Jan 15, 2013 9:42:15 GMT -5
Most people do believe that MS will include BluRay playback. HD-DVD is officially dead, DVD is too small and it's too soon to go disc-less, imo. So, I think we'll see BluRay in the next xbox. Your comments about the xbox and backwards compatibility apply to the PS3 as well. I will say that in the past I could care less about backwards compatibility. But now that I own all of this DLC and XBLA content, I really want that to work on my next gen system. We've gotten to the point where games simply look good enough to enjoy and I would love to continue to play something like Quantum Conundrum on my next gen xbox. Regarding the subscription model, MS already does this: www.engadget.com/2012/05/02/microsoft-reportedly-launching-subsidized-xbox-360-bundle-next-w/www.engadget.com/2012/10/23/microsoft-subsidized-xbox-360-offer-to-250gb/I think it would be something similar. They make you sign up for an extended Live subscription or an extended Cable subscription so they can stream TV content over IP to your home... something like that. Once they have a commitment of a steady income from you, they can make the box cheaper. Personally, I never go for these things simply because I've been blessed enough to pay full price up front and because they always cost more in the long run. Let's consider the current xbox at say $300 ($200 in some cases). If I were to buy it outright for $300 and pay full price for 2 years of xbox live at $60/yr, that's a total cost of $420. But if I got the box at $99 and paid $15/mo for 2 years, I would be paying a total of $99 + 360 = $459. So, that's a worse deal even at full price for everything. Considering I could get Live at probably half that cost on sales, the deal becomes even worse. But I can see why people go for it and it may end up being a good deal.
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Post by Jincman on Jan 15, 2013 10:01:30 GMT -5
Most people do believe that MS will include BluRay playback. HD-DVD is officially dead, DVD is too small and it's too soon to go disc-less, imo. So, I think we'll see BluRay in the next xbox. I agree. I think it's likely. Although, with the re-design of the 360 a couple years ago they had a chance to add it and didn't. Yeah. I think both Sony and MS pretty much have to do BC and I can't see MS taking the same emulation approach they took last generation (if it's even possible). So, if they go with a completely different processor ... they will have to add the old systems as a subset. Also ... how does that content transfer process go? Will be interesting to see. Thanks for the clarification on subsidized models for 360. I had no idea that they actually offered this. Although it makes total sense. Dave and I have discussed numerous times the value of PSN plus. I really feel that many gamers would be happy with just a PSN plus subscription without ever purchasing an actual game. I can see Sony leveraging this to offset the cost of PS4.
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Post by NoThru22 on Jan 15, 2013 10:27:43 GMT -5
Just having Playstation Plus on my Vita without owning a PS3 is an incredible value. In fact, it makes me second guess buying new games, especially because I bought Retro City Rampage for full price and hardly played it before it was offered for free on my PS+ account. Not that I'm even playing anything besides Persona 4 Golden. I'll probably play it in new game plus before I even move on to another game. 70 hours and counting!
I've heard rumors the next Xbox will be called... Xbox. It makes sense and won't be as confusing as calling every iPad "iPad" like Apple is doing with even consecutive models.
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Post by reaper on Jan 15, 2013 11:26:31 GMT -5
I don't think it would have made sense to add BluRay into an updated model of the 360. Then, you'd have a split user base. So, if BLOPSII came out, you'd have to sell it to those with the bluray and those without the bluray. What happens in that case, lowest common denominator wins. So, they make a DVD disc and everyone uses it. The only thing gained was bluray movie playback and MS was looking to reduce the total console cost. I don't think that by then, people would be buying a 360 to play movies.. so, I think that was a good move on their part.
Regarding content transfer, I am not sure how it works on the PS3 but I do know how it works on the 360. Whenever you buy any content from the MS store, you get 2 licenses. One license allows you to use the content on any console as long as you are logged in. This also applies to anyone else logged into that same console while you are logged in. The other license allows you to use that content on a single console (usually the one in your home) whether you are logged in or not. This allows other people to log into your home console and play your games even when you are not there. So, your kids or wife can play the content you bought at home. Or you can go to a friends house and download the content there, log in and play.
Only one license type requires transfer and that is the console specific license. There is an online tool that allows you to transfer content licenses to another console. Typically this is used when you decide to buy a new 360. But you could use the same tool to transfer your console specific licenses to the next gen xbox as well.
To get the content on the new machine, you can just download it all again for free.
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Post by reaper on Jan 16, 2013 11:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by vado on Jan 16, 2013 18:32:17 GMT -5
yeah, the content management / DRM on the 360 is very smooth and easy. likes it. pissed me off to no end when i found out that Wii purchases were tied to the console only; if it dies so does your content, no way to get it again without paying for it anew. stupid.
anyway, i digress: i vow, here and now, to resist the new, i swear! my backlog needs love!
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Post by Jincman on Jan 17, 2013 6:14:51 GMT -5
Just having Playstation Plus on my Vita without owning a PS3 is an incredible value. In fact, it makes me second guess buying new games, especially because I bought Retro City Rampage for full price and hardly played it before it was offered for free on my PS+ account. Not that I'm even playing anything besides Persona 4 Golden. I'll probably play it in new game plus before I even move on to another game. 70 hours and counting! I don't have a Vita, but I totally agree that Playstation Plus is an incredible value. If I end up getting the PS4 ... I'd be inclined to forgo disc games all together and just play off PS+. I could see Sony building a subsidized program off of this idea even.
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Post by Jincman on Jan 17, 2013 6:36:15 GMT -5
I don't think it would have made sense to add BluRay into an updated model of the 360. Then, you'd have a split user base. So, if BLOPSII came out, you'd have to sell it to those with the bluray and those without the bluray. I just figured that they might have added it for movie playback alone ... since they want to be taken seriously as a media hub. PS3 operates very similar. I even know of a situation where they are losing out on a PS+ subscription because of their loose licensing model. Going into the next generation ... I hate to think that people have to re-download potentially 100GB plus of material during their migration from one console to the next one. At least offer a one click transfers (in the background). While transferring from the Wii to the Wii U, I had to download every piece of content individually (that I couldn't place into the system memory). It was a pain. Nintendo really needs to add a one click transfer.
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Post by NoThru22 on Jan 17, 2013 10:28:35 GMT -5
If the next Xbox has Blu-ray, it won't be to add to its appeal as a media hub. They will be pushing digital dist. more and more then. If it has BD, it will simply be for storage reasons. I have a feeling the next gen of games will be on modified BDs that won't play in standard BD-Roms to prevent piracy.
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Post by fatty on Jan 17, 2013 11:18:16 GMT -5
Not that I'm even playing anything besides Persona 4 Golden. I'll probably play it in new game plus before I even move on to another game. 70 hours and counting! Not to get off-topic too much, but had to get your thoughts on Persona 4. I have the Persona games on PSOne, PS2 and the PSP but just recently tried to start with the first in the series (Revelations I think) on the PSP while traveling. Really hard to get into (slow but what RPGs aren't at first?), but to be fair I've only played for a couple of hours. I have played a SMT game (Nocturne) and got about 20 - 30 hours in. I enjoyed it for the combat but haven't been back to finish it. Is Persona comparable? Basically wondering why you love it so much. I love RPGs but don't get to them as much as I like and Final Fantasy series is still my favorite but I'm trying to broaden my horizons.
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Post by reaper on Jan 18, 2013 10:23:36 GMT -5
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Post by NoThru22 on Jan 18, 2013 15:05:32 GMT -5
Persona 4 is the first Persona that I've played but I am going to get Persona 3 Portable for download if it ever goes cheaper and I just ordered Persona 4 Arena. I have also watched all available episodes of the anime version.
I have no other Japanese RPGs to compare it to. The last Japanese RPG I played all the way through was Joan of Arc (loved it) and the one before that was probably Lunar Silver Star Story.
The mix of social simulator and dungeon crawling just got its hooks into me. I actually prefer interacting in the real world over the actual fighting monsters aspect of it.
I have no idea what other SMT games are like. The one shot of the 3DS remake looks like something I'd like to play.
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